JOE WILSON: ’The President should fire Rove’!

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• 14 July 2005, 06:31

  Regardless of whether Fitzgerald determines that there is probable cause to indict Rove for a crime,
  Rove should be fired. Rove admittedly discussed Plame with a reporter. By so doing, he endangered a CIA agent.
  This is ample reason to suspend Rove’s security clearance, and should be sufficient to remove him from his post.
  That said, we know that Bush will stand by Rove, because Rove did exactly what Bush wanted him to do.
  This White House will someday be recognized as the worst in American history.

  • 14 July 2005, 08:50

    Rove is a fag and everyone close to him knows that. Some even think that George is also a closet fag and his marriage is a cover for his dual identity. Considering that Bush was a cheerleader, etc., it isn’t a very big stretch to assume this.

  • 14 July 2005, 16:24

    "caution : we will erase messages with caractere defamatory, abusive, xenophobe, sexist, the threats, politic and commercial advertising..."

    With that caveat in mind, the post I’m replying to should probably be axed.

    I hate left-wing homophobes more than I hate right wing homophobes.

• 14 July 2005, 13:41

  I’m glad to hear from Joe Wilson. He’s being smeared all over the place by Fox and the RNC. They are just lying and lying and lying. I’ve read their talking points and a reporter actually held them up on the tv and still they persist. They are shameful! And so is the media for allowing it. I hope Joe keeps fighting!

• 14 July 2005, 14:51

  "My real concern was always WMD," he told us, "not Regime Change."

  Someone needs to fax Joe Wilson a copy of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which Bill Clinton signed into law, that says;

  SEC. 3. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS REGARDING UNITED STATES POLICY TOWARD IRAQ.

  It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.

• 14 July 2005, 14:58

  In the meantime, despite such pesky facts, the wingnuts also continue to claim that Plame was, in fact, not even a covert asset at the time of her outting.

  Really?

  So I guess the 36 "major news organizations and reporters’ groups" that filed an amici curiae brief in the D.C. Circuit trying to say there was NO CRIME committed were ALL part of the VRWC?

  These 36 major news orgs. go over in extensive detail that she was not a "covert" asset.

• 14 July 2005, 17:29

  Joe Wilson is nothing by a lying partisan hack

  http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=5630

  Thursday, July 14, 2005
  Joe Wilson’s Top Ten Worst Inaccuracies And Misstatements

  1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President’s Office Sent Him To Niger:

  Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President’s Office. “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. … The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.” (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, “What I Didn’t Find In Africa,” The New York Times, 7/6/03)

  Joe Wilson: “[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby’s Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ...” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 8/3/03)

  Vice President Cheney: “I Don’t Know Joe Wilson. I’ve Never Met Joe Wilson. … And Joe Wilson - I Don’t [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/14/03)

  CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)

  2.) Wilson Claimed The Vice President And Other Senior White House Officials Were Briefed On His Niger Report:

  “[Wilson] Believed That [His Report] Would Have Been Distributed To The White House And That The Vice President Received A Direct Response To His Question About The Possible Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Reported That The Vice President Was Not Briefed On Wilson’s Report. “Conclusion 14. The Central Intelligence Agency should have told the Vice President and other senior policymakers that it had sent someone to Niger to look into the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal and it should have briefed the Vice President on the former ambassador’s findings.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  CIA Director George Tenet: “Because This Report, In Our View, Did Not Resolve Whether Iraq Was Or Was Not Seeking Uranium From Abroad, It Was Given A Normal And Wide Distribution, But We Did Not Brief It To The President, Vice-President Or Other Senior Administration Officials.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)

  3.) Wilson Has Claimed His Niger Report Was Conclusive And Significant

  Wilson Claims His Trip Proved There Was Nothing To The Uranium “Allegations.” “I knew that [Dr. Rice] had fundamentally misstated the facts. In fact, she had lied about it. I had gone out and I had undertaken this study. I had come back and said that this was not feasible. … This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations.” (NBC’s, “Meet The Press,” 5/2/04)

  Officials Said Evidence In Wilson’s Niger Report Was “Thin” And His “Homework Was Shoddy.” (Michael Duffy, “Leaking With A Vengeance,” Time, 10/13/03)

  Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador’s Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts’ Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  “For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (INR) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  CIA Said Wilson’s Findings Did Not Resolve The Issue. “Because [Wilson’s] report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release 7/11/03)

  The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04)

  4.) Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002:

  Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. … Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?” Joe Wilson: “No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)

  But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson’s Wife Proposed Him For Trip. “Some CPD, [CIA Counterproliferation Division] officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife ‘offered up his name’ and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, ‘my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.’” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

  5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife:

  Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife’s Suggestion. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?” Joe Wilson: “The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it’s in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton’s Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)

  In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. “The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalf … The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region …” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

  6.) Wilson Claimed He Was A Victim Of A Partisan Smear Campaign

  Joe Wilson: “Well, I Don’t Know. Obviously, There’s Been This Orchestrated Campaign, This Smear Campaign. I Happen To Think That It’s Because The RNC, The Republican National Committee’s Been Involved In This In A Big Way …” CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “But They Weren’t Involved In The Senate Intelligence Committee Report.” Wilson: “No, They Weren’t.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)

  Senate Intelligence Committee Unanimously Concluded That Wilson’s Report “Lent More Credibility” For Most Analysts “To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Reports.” “Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

  Members Of The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence That Wrote The Unanimous “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq”:

  Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

  Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)

  Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

  Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)

  Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)

  Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)

  Sen. John Edwards (D-NC)

  Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)

  Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS)

  Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)

  Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH)

  Sen. Christopher Bond (R-MO)

  Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS)

  Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)

  Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)

  Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)

  Sen. John Warner (R-VA)

  (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

  7.) A Month Before The Bob Novak And Matthew Cooper Articles Ever Came Out, Wilson Told The Washington Post That Previous Intelligence Reports About Niger Were Based On Forged Documents:

  In June Of 2003, Wilson Told The Washington Post “The Niger Intelligence Was Based On Documents That Had Clearly Been Forged Because ‘The Dates Were Wrong And The Names Were Wrong.’” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04)

  However, “The [Senate Select Committee On Intelligence] Report … Said Wilson Provided Misleading Information To The Washington Post Last June [12th, 2003].” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04)

  Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “The Former Ambassador Said That He May Have ‘Misspoken’ To The Reporter When He Said He Concluded The Documents Were ‘Forged.’” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  8.) Wilson Claimed His Book Would Enrich Debate:

  NBC’s Katie Couric: “What Do You Hope The Whole Point Of This Book Will Be? Joe Wilson: “Well, I - I Hope, One, It Will Tell - It Tries To Tell An Interesting Story. Two, I Hope That It Enriches The Debate In A Year In Which We Are All Called Upon As Americans To Elect Our Leaders. And Three, … That [It] Says That This Is A Great Democracy That Is Worthy Of Our Taking Our Responsibilities As Stewards Seriously.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 5/3/04)

  Wilson Admits In His Book That He Had Been Involved In “A Little Literary Flair” When Talking To Reporters. “[Wilson] wrote in his book, he told Committee staff that his assertion may have involved ‘a little literary flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04)

  Wilson’s Book The Politics Of Truth: Inside The Lies That Put The White House On Trial And Betrayed My Wife’s CIA Identity Has Been Panned In Numerous Reviews For Its Inaccuracies:

  “On Page One Of Chapter One, He Quotes NBC Talk Show Host Chris Matthews, Who Told Him That, After Mr. Wilson Chose To Go Public: ‘Wilson’s Wife Is Fair Game.’ Later, He Bases His List Of Suspect Leakers On Conversations With Members Of The News Media And A ‘Source Close To The House Judiciary Committee.’” (Eli Lake, Op-Ed, “Don’t Quit Your Day Job, Mr. Wilson,” New York Post, 5/4/04)

  “For Example, When Asked How He ‘Knew’ That The Intelligence Community Had Rejected The Possibility Of A Niger-Iraq Uranium Deal, As He Wrote In His Book, He Told [Senate Intelligence] Committee Staff That His Assertion May Have Involved ‘A Little Literary Flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair,’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04)

  The Boston Globe: “In Essence, Much Of Wilson’s Book Is An Attempt To Portray The Bush Administration As A Ministry Of Fear Whose Mission In Pursuing War In Iraq Required It To Proclaim A Lie As Truth.” (Michael D. Langan, Op-Ed, “‘Truth’ Makes Much Of Bush Controversy,” The Boston Globe, 5/4/04)

  Newsweek’s Evan Thomas Wrote In The Washington Post: “[W]ilson’s Claims And Conclusions Are Either Long Hashed Over Or Based On What The Intelligence Business Describes As ‘Rumint,’ Or Rumor Intelligence.” (Evan Thomas, Op-Ed, “Indecent Exposure,” The Washington Post, 5/16/04)

  9.) Wilson Claimed The CIA Provided Him With Information Related To The Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction:

  “The Former Ambassador Noted That His CIA Contacts Told Him There Were Documents Pertaining To The Alleged Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction And That The Source Of The Information Was The [Redacted] Intelligence Service.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  However, “The DO [Director Of Operations At The CIA] Reports Officer Told Committee Staff That He Did Not Provide The Former Ambassador With Any Information About The Source Or Details …” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

  10.) Wilson Claimed He Is A Non-Partisan “Centrist”:
  Recently, Joe Wilson Refused To Admit He Is A Registered Democrat. NBC’s Jamie Gangel: “You are a Democrat?” Joe Wilson: “I exercise my rights as a citizen of this country to participate in the selection of my leaders and I am proud to do so. I did so in the election in 2000 by contributing not just to Al Gore’s campaign, but also to the Bush-Cheney campaign.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 7/14/05)

  “[Wilson] Insist[s] He Remained A Centrist At Heart.” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05)

  Joe Wilson Is A Registered Democrat. (District Of Columbia Voter Registrations, Accessed 7/14/05)

  Joseph Wilson Has Donated Over $8,000 To Democrats Including $2,000 To John Kerry For President In 2003, $1,000 To Hillary Clinton’s (D-NY) HILLPAC In 2002 And $3,000 To Al Gore In 1999. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 7/12/05)

  Wilson Endorsed John Kerry For President In October 2003 And Advised The Kerry Campaign. (David Tirrell-Wysocki, “Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03)

  “[Wilson] Admits ‘It Will Be A Cold Day In Hell Before I Vote For A Republican, Even For Dog Catcher.’” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05)

  • 14 July 2005, 18:04

    64 - 111 or GOP jerk. First you are wrong about almost everything you say but let’s just look at this Niger thing for a moment. First it was supposed to be the British that first brought this particular piece of lying crap to the table in a desperate attempt to shore up support for an illegal and utterly immoral war. The British kinda gave up on this when they realised that the documents upon which this claim was predicated just happened to be very, very crude forgeries (including the fact that the signature was of a man out of Niger politics for years while the document claimed it was contemporary).
    You might also like to point out where the nuclear missiles, bombs or equipment to manufacture stuff actually are? On the moon with the rest of the WMD?
    You dopey schill.

  • 14 July 2005, 19:13

    If you had a brain you could find on the internet the offical British investigative reports but since you don’t I’ll post a excerpt. Again this is the clip of the offical report something I see you fail to provide in your laughable rant.

    The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04)

    The rest of the post I provided is all footnoted with the different government and media organizations which reported that information. If you can provide any proof (other the Joe Wilson’s laughable assurances that he’s not a liar) then provide it, I know you can’t because what is stated in my previous post is factual and documented. All you have is lies and allegations and a stupid irrational loathing and political candidates which can’t win elections because they have to bow to the extremeist left wing you represent.

  • 15 July 2005, 16:09

    Okay, your sources that you so loudly espouse seem to consist largely of saying that Wilson is a Democrat. So what? Where exactly does it say - under US law - that a persons (alleged) political leanings has anything whatever to do with his protection under the law? Are you suggesting that Ken Starr shouldn’t have been allowed to pursue Clinton over a matter so trivial it was laughable because he’s a Republican?
    As for the Butler report - well, dude, it’s best taken with a very large pinch of salt or a bucket of whitewash if you prefer. It was universally derided here (UK) at the time of publication as the government sponsored whitewash that it was.
    There are hundreds of sources from the BBC to very senior CIA operatives, the IAEA and just about everyone else with a brain who can tell you that the Niger story used by Bush was a lie.
    First we have the IAEA response to Colin Powell at the UN when El Baradei revealed that the documents had been PROVED fake. Do you realise that the Niger documents have dates that don’t match the correct days of the week? Do you know that the sequence of the documents doesn’t match - ie one document referring to another pre-dates it? Did you know that the signature on the documents was a poor forgery of a minister who left office ten years previously?
    It was a lie then and it is still a lie now. Why is it that you people can’t face the truth no matter what it consists of? Oh, and by the way, where is all this stuff, you still don’t seem to have grasped the fact that it doesn’t exist.
    And, while we’re on let’s try one more for you. You are, of course, aware that the source of all your WMD info was a relative of Saddam’s (ie all the info that poor sap Powell had to deliver to the UN). They just forgot to mention one small fact......... He also said that he’d personally supervised the destruction of all WMD’s in 1991. Somehow that small fact didn’t make it through the Bush editing process........ I can’t imagine why.

  • 15 July 2005, 19:55

    So? This is about Karl Rove, not Joe Wilson. Who are you that you have time to write all this garbage?

  • 16 July 2005, 03:07

    I notice the GOP hack sites the gop.org for his information. This is so typical the liars citing the liars for their "credible" information. Sorry you sack of shit, the rest of us already know that the GOP is nothing but the propaganda ministry for the Nazi Bu$hco. Until you have something credible save your time, like I said the rest of us already know about the GOP. And while you are at it why don’t you stay in your own little world of liars instead of boring the shit out of us with crap from the GOP. Trolls are unwelcome here and they will always get a ration of shit for posting their propaganda for Bu$hco here.

  • 16 July 2005, 03:09

    Like we could believe a word from the Republipukes.