DRUDGE : NEOCON SHILL TOUTS AMAZING IRANIAN " DISCOVERY"

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• 8 March 2006, 22:06

  There seems to be no stopping this insanity. Nothing this insane administration says or does can be justified. They are determined to sink us into the worst of times. Is there no way to stop this????

• 9 March 2006, 03:07

  Anyone ever wonder what makes Whitey say and do this sort of thing? Matt is certainly spooked and is playing to Spooked Whitey America — and just as easily they will respond to being spooked all the way.

  The Spooked Whitey American is ignorant and has long ago suspended his thinking and reasoning; and not just about Iran or Iraq, either. Looking (or hearing this figure from Matt) at this figure would show that 85K tonnes of the stuff is enough to make 10,000 devices not 10...!!! But propanganda-wise, it is best to throw out a figure that Whitey can digest, and the number ten is easier to imagine.

  Anyway, 85K tonnes of that material is not only not easy to hide but is simply that much harder to handle. Anything having to do handling/processing/storing/etc. of radioactive compounds grows geometerically. The differences of having enough to make a golf ball versus having a quantity large enough to populate a reactor introduces enormous challanges on many levels. Just look at the problems Britain is having dealing with their nuclear stream... Which is only a fraction of what the U.S. generates.

  85K tonnes would require support industries that Iran does not have. In many parts of the economic structure Iran has to realize on foreign technical and engineering expertize, not only on just the nuclear issue. And this fact you cannot hide as easily. Nuclear scientist, in particular, are a closely followed bunch by all governments who are able to do so, whether they be Russian, Canadian, British, U.S. or from Togo. And there doesn’t appear to be this brain influx into Iran.

  85K tonnes of the material would require a nation like Iran with no large functioning nuclear reactor many, many decades to attain; requiring multi-generational tier of scientists and technicians making a concerted effort. In 50 years of the Iranian program, first launched by Westinghouse (a U.S. firm) and then augemented by General Electic, among others, Iran has not even been able to bring one reactor online. It is doubtful that even India with her vast brain prower, military disipline and large functioning reactors has this much of weapons grade material. In this regard, Iran is a BB compared to a basketball.

  With 85K tonnes of this stuff lying around, you would have vast areas that would be inhabitable, and that doesn’t seem to be the case. No available satellite photos show dead zones. (This is based on the argument that precludes Iran having built any above ground facilities for processing and storage.) Even the little Chernobyl debacle shows decernable and delimited zones in satellite photos.

  In short, this is a typical Spooked Whitey American adding to the Collective Spooked Whitey American thinking.

  It is morbidly funny to watch Whitey work himself up in a lather — true, fair logic has never been part of the picture him. And it will be a pity Iran and the world (and the Persian history) should Whitey, yet again, continue on his killing spree.

  • 9 March 2006, 12:07

    This would have been a useful and interesting post, had you not allowed your apparently rabid racism free rein. Why do you have to do this? Or are you trying to ensure that no one listens to your information?

  • 10 March 2006, 01:28

    How long have you lived in America?

    What is the American daily midigating factor if not race? Just because Whitey does not speak of race does not mean that his behaviour is fair and equal towards his fellow Americans, let alone other nations who he precieves to he not like him. Whitey behaves as Whitey is, this is America.

    I don’t consider my post/words to be racist at all.

    Look carefully around you and you will see from the most simple to the deepest human interaction is governed by the issue of race. And yes, I stand by my words that this is a "Whitey" reality that we are forced to live in. It isn’t the powerless Blackies (of varying shades) who are driving the policy, nor the economy, nor society. And those who find themselves by way of some anomily participating in the debacle are Whitey-wannbees — they have some pathological desire to be "White" or serve Whitey.

    (A few interracial couples across 300 million peoples fall into statistical error space. Have you ever been to Brazil; seen how much more "interracial" loves and lives there are? It would/should shame Whitey.)

    But in a most laminated way, Whitey points to sport personalities and says, "Look, we are fans of so-an-so..." as though that is justification enough (in fairness and equal treatment of other fellow Americans.) When in reality, there is viseral disklike of all beings that are not like him.

    Whitey strives to live in his enclaves, his gated communities; likes to attend functions where others are like him. America is a heavily class based society and race is the leading element used in categorizing peoples. All other things seem to follow this focal point. Notice this the next time you are at a fancy sit-down eatery; look at the people around and see what others see.

    The propaganda of equality of the races is just that — there isn’t even any real effort at trying to understand this, let alone physically striving to live up to the standard that Whitey has written for himself and others in the Declaration of Independence... (A topic way out of scope for reply here...)

    Sigh... Things won’t change in this generation nor the next seven...

  • 10 March 2006, 06:42

    Let’s not forget though that prejudice can come in all colors and that one characture of "whitey" presented above is no more accurate for many Americans than say one of "blackey" driving a low riding 78 chevy, with whitewalls and a silver playboy bunny on the back, sporting a gold tooth and gold chains, with horrendous bass sounds coming out of the trunk like someone is beating on it inside dying for air, while cruising to the nearest 7-11 with a 32 oz can of Schlitz malt liquor in his lap to cash a stolen welfare check. A stereotype.

    I mean really, I understand your frustration with some that might fit the whitey *profile* but in acuality it seems to me that perhaps prejuduce cuts across all lines from the wealthy to the street, with all colors, even lighter skinned blacks looking down on some darker skinned ones. I have had both the pleasure of knowing some great dark skinned people as well as the misfortune of knowing some that didn’t appear to be too far removed from the missing link. Same with some of the lighter skinned ones. Also a few of the black people I have known may be some of the most prejudiced people I have ever met, they judge all "whitey’s" as being against them before they even meet them. Needless to say that kind of prejudice doens’t work well for making new friends if it causes the individual to be unfriendly. I even remember as a young man having a good friend beat up on his way home through a black beighborhood just because he was white. I’m not sure if it was by a guy that drives a 78chevy with gold teeth and chains on his way to cash a stolen welfare check but you get the picture. Stereotype.

    Prejudice IMO is often unhelpful and should be avoided whenever possible but I think I get what your really trying to say underneath.

    Cheers and best of luck,

    A "whitey" in skin only

  • 10 March 2006, 08:27

    But you try to defuse and deflect the issue by saying biases occur in other peoples as well as Whitey. Given; but my reply’s focus is the viseral bias that Whitey has for all other peoples and nations. It is this Whitey’s hate that causes harm.

    The problems being outlines in the many posts on this blog are not being caused Blackie’s bias... While he may hold biases, they are ineffectual to the degree he is ineffectual. Blackie holds no power in America. Those (Blackies) who think they have some influence are only deluding themselves or otherwise have been co-opted to do Whitey’s bidding (Powell, Condi come to mind.) These Blackies are weak and have pathologies for wanting to be Whitey. They are dishonest to the core.

    I would assert that better than 90 percent of White people hold Whitey biases and attitudes. See them, hear them when they are amongst their own how they negatively talk about the Jews, Muslims and any other people who are not just like Whitey.

    It is Whitey American that has waged war in Iraq and aims to wage war on Iran. It has been Whitey that waged wars based on faked events as the Gulf of Tonkin. All for what?

    Your last reply at least expresses your awareness of the extent of the race conflict that is ever present in daily American life. But it appears you want to pass the issue disconnecting Whitey thinking/bias from the horrors that result from within Whitey.

  • 10 March 2006, 17:50

    I don’t live in America, which is why I probably have a more objective view of what is going on that anyone inside the country can.¨

    Your use of the term "Whitey" shows your massive racism, leading me to suspect that you are not of white extraction, and therefore have a massive chip on your shoulder about what you consider your "second class" state. If this is not so, please explain why you hate white people so much.

    Indeed all my interactions are based on race; whether the person is a member of the human race. Since they all appear to be, I can then treat them as equals, since I consider myself human. Among the people I feel closest to, there are a number of Europeans of various religious persuasions, a Hindu Indian, a black Jamaican, and a Muslim. Can you claim the same?

  • 11 March 2006, 06:15

    There is a distinctioin between "Whitey" and "White". In America the midigation beings at the level of race; whether it would be a black person entering a room full of whites or a non-white seeking a job, or whites and blacks associating in the social context.

    Being a "Whitey" is a negative celebration of being White. This fact is enforced day in and day out. It is a self-justification occuring from the moment a White wakes up to the moment he puts his head on the pillow. It is repeated in every action and thought made through out the day — And it enforces a highly negative and exclusively superior weapon for thinking. To the degree that if an issue cannot be framed through that particular thought, it is destroyed. Unfortunately, when considered collectively across the many whites it leads to wars, such as what we have in Iraq now. Such as what we had in Central America, a few years ago and what we had in Vietnam prior and what we saw in Korea, Paulau, the numerious countries of the Far East - things like what brought down Ciennook, Diem among others. What happenned in Gernada, the PAPF in Africa, Lebanon of the 1950s and then again in the 1980s. And so on.

    The celebration of being White is constantly repeated, without fail. The reasons are a little beyond the scope of these replies, but let me suggest a book by Profs. Nancy Denton and Massey titled. "American Apartied: The Making of the Underclass". (The two profs are White and not Whitey, by the way.) When they wrote the book, oh, some 10 years ago, Massey was at The University of Chicago and Denton was at Boston; both rather powerful academic institutions; the work can be used to form a basis of understanding of what I am saying here...)

    BTW, I don’t consider my use of the term, "Whitey" as racist at all. In fact, it is not of my origin, but is a moniker that the whites have garnered themselves for themselves. I order to be considered "racist", the usage would have to be scoped somehow but it cannot as the white has already applied to himself in the most pervasive way. (Check out the book above for starters and it will more sense of what I am saying here.)

    As far as the "chip" on my shoulder — well, it’s not there but most whites, whenever the topic of race comes up make it a point to mention this; because it appears that that is the only thing they take away from my usage of the term, "Whitey". BTW your guilt is showing a little in your reply — as to how you are somehow above all of us and relate to the human race... Hehe... More on that later perhaps...

    Oh, and I am White...

  • 11 March 2006, 06:42

    Well really all I was trying to say is I don’t think there is any "Whitey" as such it’s simply a creation of perception, a stereotype is what I was driving at. Just like "blackey" my example.

    I think to say 90% of some mythical "white america" might feel a certain way about people simply because their skin is darker is probably not very accurate though, perhaps its 27% or 45% or 72% on a given issue and then within that group perhaps its 22% feel differently or 12% etc. etc. Speaking for all of white America as one "group" I thik really follows the stereotyping we claim to be trying to avpoid in the first place.

    We should be clear though that certain factual statistics do tend to influence peoples thoughts. I realize full well there is HUGE injustice in the injustice system but at the same time 9 times out of ten when there is a serious crime such as robbery or murder where I live it is committed by a negro person. It is fact I check the paper and am always looking for a white person but robbery after robbery after robbery after murder is committed by a black. And one can’t blame it on prejudice or or slanting of the press here because the area is small enought that one can know all of the serious crimes. I don’t make this up, and I’m not applying any sort of judgement to it as to why, just citing a factual observation. African Americans and others wishing to end the stereotype of themselves as being more crime prone must simply start being less involved in it for whatever reasons.

    At the same time I say this I also realize that there is plenty of white crime though mostly corporate crime (in general but not much where I live) and many "high crimes" that go unreported and listed as ’suicides’ "accidents" etc.etc. "in high places" and these people of whom I speak can hide it well with their dollars. I understand this. And I also realize one might make the case that many of the crimes on high directly influence the amount of crimes at the street. I don’t for a minute deny there is a definate IMO connection. I realize all that.

    But regardless that doesn’t cancel out what many of "white middle america" will think when they see blacks killing and stealing by a huge margin over their whitecounterparts even if they try not to be a prejudiced "whitey". Everyone it seems is beat down by somebody in a manner of speaking whether your poor, white, black, low man at a job, weak, etc. etc. there will ALWAYS be "social darwinists" waiting to devour who they can. I can’t speak for everyone but as far as me and mine we try and reject that model preferring rather pursuing The Way as taught by Yeshua/Jesus. It’s not in the domain of "whitey" really IMO. And though it’s a challenge it keeps us all busy.

    :)

• 9 March 2006, 15:16

  I don’t believe there is anyway to stop this freight train to hell . The window of opportunity has closed . 1) Fitzgerald , a neocon shill , has produced but nothing but hot air. "Fitzmas" is always just around the corner - but never arrives. Justin Raimondo , a person I otherwise hold in high regard , is absolutely insensible to facts ,logic and reasoning on the issue of his "hero", Fitzgerald. 2 ) The Congress has completely sold it’s soul to the AIPAC/PNAC combine . 3) The Supreme Court is being packed with fascists who openly advocate the dissolution of the US Constitution in favour of a unitary dick-tator who rules by imperial decree. 4 ) The mainstream news media are a bunch of gutter dwelling swamp creatures , propagandists for perpetual war and Der Fuhrer. 5 ) Most American’s are far more enthralled with "American Idol" than the rise of "American Fascism". They disapprove of the unitary executive but take no action to secure his impeacment, conviction, and removal from office. In, short we’re F**KED !! This should make our African-American friend happy . WHITEY’S F**KED !

  • 9 March 2006, 21:52

    The amazing success of the Bush adminstration with all their war dances and sabre rattling, mentions of Saddam being evil, mushroom clouds, aluminum tubes, yellow cake, and speeches to the world at the UN to invade Iraq because of outright deliberate lies, induces Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Condi to try the gambit once more. Their fundamentalist followers will swallow any story, as we found out. They will be delighted to kill more Muslims for Bush.

    So the media, airwaves are filled with Bush, Rumsfeld, Condi, Cheney and now McCain thundering accusations at Iran which are simply replays of what they said 4 years ago. Their protestations that Iran will destroy the US with mushroom clouds plays on the same fears that Condi played when she said the very same thing.

    So everyone may expect that the next few months will be filled with Republican shills and sycophants repeating the tales of terror to the public over FOX and other friendly media. YOu will hear grave denunciations, frightening tales of nuclear winter, stockpiles of WMD’s in Iran, and especially Iranian "intentions." Bush declared war on Saddam on the basis of his religious intuition and "intentions." Condi Rice will lie her little head off, daily blasting other nations for not being democratic and free, like her Boss is in Iraq. They don’t see the sardonic humor in voicing claims about how well they are doing around the world with torture, abuse, kidnapping, spying on citizens, etc. etc. Bush is one of the worst producers of terror in the world, and one of the most egegious offenders of peace, freedom, democracy and other shibboleths of our beloved nation. The Bushites exploit our emotions, our ideals, our values, to promote their vision of world domination for their neocon cronies and fundamentalists.
    They are beneath contempt.
    Peter Fredson

  • 10 March 2006, 18:00

    As far as I am concerned, they have relinquished any right to be considered human beings. That being the case, they can then be shot down the way we would destroy any rabid animal that is threatening the population.