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DIPLOMACY WITH IRAN IS OVER

by Open-Publishing - Monday 16 May 2005
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Diplomacy’s Over

NATIONAL REVIEW MAG.

(http://www.nationalreview.com/editorial/editors200505161044.asp)

For a brief moment last week it looked as though Europe’s tireless efforts to bribe Iran into giving up key parts of its nuclear program had finally come to an end. After the latest round of negotiations concluded in deadlock, Iran threatened to resume suspended fuel-cycle activities, prompting the Europeans to suggest they were ready to get tough. “...We certainly will support referral to the U.N. Security Council if Iran breaches its undertakings and obligations,” said Britain’s Tony Blair. Soon afterward, however, Iran conceded that it might postpone the resumption of uranium reprocessing, leaving an opening for yet another round of talks. A senior Iranian negotiator even told news sources over the weekend that Iran was close to an agreement with the Europeans that would allow them to continue some of the now-frozen activities.

Of course, were the Europeans genuinely concerned about preventing a nuclear Iran, they probably would have stopped this diplomatic game months ago - and they would certainly be calling it quits now. If the latest failure reveals anything, it is that the mullahs are dead set on maintaining the nuclear fuel cycle, and that no quantity of Western “carrots” will persuade them to relinquish it (remember that the United States also threw its weight behind the latest talks, promising among other things to remove its objection to Iran’s joining the World Trade Organization should Tehran submit to Europe’s entirely reasonable demands). Despite Tehran’s intractability - and despite mounting concerns about a secret military nuclear program in Iran - it appears the EU3 will continue to coddle the mullahs, effectively letting the clock run out until they have acquired their bomb. Europe may already be resigned to that eventuality.

This puts the Bush administration in a tough position. But while it would be nice to have European support for sending Iran to the Security Council, that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon, and it is foolish to wait any longer to try different approaches. Congress is considering legislation that would tighten existing U.S. sanctions, prevent U.S. subsidiaries from doing business in Iran, and reduce aid to countries whose businesses invest there. The threat of precision military strikes also remains on the table, as it should; the Pentagon recently announced that it plans to sell Israel 100 “bunker-buster” bombs, which can attack underground facilities such as those reportedly used by Iran. And of course there is Iran’s pro-democratic population, which may be the United States’ greatest weapon against the mullahs.

If there was any doubt before, there should be none now: Diplomacy with Iran has run its course, even if the EU3 are adamant about maintaining the charade.

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Forum posts

  • replace "iraq" w/ "iran" in the commentary below

    WHAT THE HECK IS THIS STUFF?(written in Jan/2003)

    SMALL_trin.jpg

    The above image is a scan of a piece of Trinitite. This is desert sand that was underneath the explosion of the world’s first Atomic bomb. The heat from that blast melted the sand into a green glass, not unlike the Fulgurites that result when lightning hits sandy soil.

    Now, imagine an entire nation looking like the above sample, melted into green glass. It’s not a fantasy. The US spent $5 trillion dollars building a nuclear deterrent capability that can actually do it, melt an attacking nation into green glass. The USSR knew it, the world knows it, Saddam knows it.

    Even if Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and even if Iraq had the long range ICBMs to reach across the Atlantic with, Iraq would still not be a threat to the US because any attack with a weapon of mass destruction would be national suicide.

    Those that insist that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction are a threat that justifies invasion are in essence claiming that the US Government took $5 trillion of your money (over $17,000 from each of you alive today) in a gigantic swindle, because the $5 trillion nuclear deterrent isn’t a deterrent after all, that it doesn’t work, that nobody is really afraid of it, because they all know it was just a hoax to soak the American taxpayer for another several thousand dollars. Was it all a hoax, Mr. Bush? Did the American people foot a $5 trillion bill for a deterrent system that isn’t really a deterrent?

    Either the deterrent works or it does not. If it doesn’t, then the American taxpayers have been defrauded on a grand scale. But if the nuclear deterrent does work, then Iraq can have all the weapons of mass destruction they want, they just won’t dare use them. Maybe they can put them in a museum or something. But they won’t dare use them against the United States because they don’t want to end up like that piece of green glass at the top of this article. There is no need to invade over the issue of weapons of mass destruction. There never was.

    Of course, the issue has shifted. The UN inspectors have found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. They found some documents ABOUT weapons of mass destruction, but documents are not a weapon of mass destruction (with the sole exception of the 1040 form). The UN inspectors found a bunch of old empty artillery warheads from 1988, but empty warheads are not a weapon of mass destruction, and tests show that these empties were never weapons. Soil samples have tested negative for chemicals or radioactivity indicating weapons development. Iraq has allowed the inspectors to pretty much go everywhere they want without hindrance, even into Saddam’s home. Imagine the KGB demanding and getting permission to peek into every closet and drawer in the White House and you will get an idea of just how much Iraq is cooperating. The CIA gave the UN inspectors a list of sites they were convinced had weapons of mass destruction. Nothing.

    But Bush still wants his invasion, and since there are no weapons of mass destruction to scare the public into supporting a war of conquest, the issue is changing. Saddam may be cooperating, but he isn’t cooperating ENOUGH (as defined by the US). And horror of horrors, Saddam might actually still be ever so slightly resentful of the way he is being bullied around by the US Government. He’s only a head of state, why should HE feel insulted by the intrusions into his nation and his home, right?

    So, today, Bush and his buddies are trying to spin resentment and a failure to cooperate more than Saddam already has into a reason to invade Iraq and, as the US already admits it plans to do, grab the oil wells.

    This plan proves that the oil is the real goal, because if weapons of mass destruction were the real issue, then there would be no need to risk American lives invading Iraq. If Iraq were to have a weapon of mass destruction and use it against the US, the US could just stand back and turn the entire nation into green glass just like that at the top of this article. That’s what we all paid that $5 trillion for. And unless the US Government wants to admit that $5 trillion nuclear deterrent is a hoax, then we should use it as it was intended to be used, to deter an attack without having to invade a foreign attacker.

    See also: Iraq: The Words of Mass Deception

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WMDlies.html

    See also: "WMDthefilm.com"

    See also: "Hijacking Catastrophe: Fear and the selling of american empire"

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6895.htm

    See also: "The power of nightmares"

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

    See also: "Martial Law 911: rise of the Police state"

    http://www.infowars.com/martial_law_911.htm

    http://www.dissidents.us/Video%20Page/Alex%20Jones_Martial_Law.htm

    See also: "Elite Propaganda :The Myth of the Liberal Media"

    http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6435.htm

    See also: "Orwell Rolls In His Grave"

    http://orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/

    DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE

    • Iran is a hotbed of contention not because of just the oil profits that could be reaped should they come under military and corporate control of the invading forces and their corporation backers. The age old class warfare trick card is again being played and as always the attacking corporation interests need an "excuse" and a reason that the lower and middle class citizens should "mobilize against the enemy" which in this case has been a "case of Islamist Suicide bombing "Terrorist" extreamist vs. The Boys with the A-Bombs"

      In the current corporate global control agenda for profitable investmest AT ANY COST WE have the largest most advanced military powers going up to dissolve the terrorist element and the NewSpeak plan as "always" is to "attack the Bad Guy, Batman" with a dwindling middle class economies, massive corporate fraud in many areas, and an unsatiable LUST for ever greater profits and CONTROL. If this was not the case then why is the entire controlling investor corporation constituency of these major well armed nations HEAVILY INVESTED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL MILITARY MIND CONTROL MACHINE. Why do they own or manage major media outlets and why are they on the attack in the US and abroad against orginizations and people that simply would like to dialog about other possible ways to socially interact and develop resources than to show up with your military forces and say "your leader is a terrorist- we are here to free YOU WITH OUR GUNS!" Long live Freedom and Democracy - Could you please indicate in the check box "Are you or have you ever been a member of ... this or that???"

      Yes we live in the Brave New World of 2005 and of Orwellian NewSpeak, which is driven from the psychopathic agenda that any agenda or social movement that does not follow my ideals and worship my GOD is "evil" and as their great books of wisdom say it’s OK to KILL YOUR ENEMY if HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD --- is the only way. Or you will be marginalized - --- This is the Borg you will be assimulated... This corporation propaganda will as part of their startegy state that oh you "misunderstood the reasons of the wars" mentality which is a nice word play for control of the discussed agenda away from the facts to bring up not the actual involved people and miltary personal and ask them what it is that they are actually doing --- BUT to HIDE like scared chickens behind the "TOP SECRET", thats "CLASSIFIED" which is the NewSpeak way of hiding your agenda publically and this mind control method is one of the oldest and tired methods of subverting the agenda through the chain of command control which must be in place for this type of propaganda control to work. This is then information profiling, and scope and range of discussion management by appealing to the IMORAL and ILLEGAL human mode of misinformation programming through secret agendas. - This message was brought to you by the Corporate Newspeak Network for disinformation. Thank you and have pleasent day.

  • so what, you can not do a thing. why beacuse you are stuck in iraq. just shut up and cross your finger and hope european succseed. he he axis of evil blow in your faces preety well. such a dumb president you have.

    • Oh Hell, they’ve let the lunatic take over the asylum.... Gardis spewing hate in an official capacity is about all we can take.

    • Oh Iran is a hotbed of contention not because of just the oil profits that could be reaped should they come under military and corporate control of the invading forces and their corporation backers. The age old class warfare trick card is again being played and as always the attacking corporation interests need an "excuse" and a reason that the lower and middle class citizens should "mobilize against the enemy" which in this case has been a "case of Islamist Suicide bombing "Terrorist" extreamist vs. The Boys with the A-Bombs"

      In the current corporate global q control agenda for profitable investmest AT ANY COST WE have the largest most advanced military powers going up to dissolve the terrorist element and the New-Speak plan as "always" is to "attack the Bad Guy, Batman" with a dwindling middle class k economies, massive corporate fraud in many areas, and an unsatiable LUST for ever greater profits and CONTROL. If this was not the case then why is the entire controlling investor corporation constituency of these major well armed nations HEAVILY INVESTED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL MILITARY MIND CONTROL MACHINE. Why do they own or manage major media outlets and why are they on the attack in the US and abroad against orginizations and people that simply would like to dialog about other possible ways to socially interact and develop resources than to show up with your military forces and say "your leader is a terrorist- we are here to free YOU WITH OUR GUNS!" Long live Freedom and Democracy - Could you please indicate in the check box "Are you or have you ever been a member of ... this or that???" — ???

      Yes we live in the Brave New World of 2005 and of Orwellian NewSpeak, which is driven from the psychopathic agenda that any agenda or social movement that does not follow my ideals and worship my GOD is "evil" and as their great books of wisdom say it’s OK to KILL YOUR ENEMY if HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD --- is the only way. Or you will be marginalized - --- This is the Borg you will be assimulated... This corporation propaganda will as part of their startegy state that oh you "misunderstood the reasons of the wars" mentality which is a nice word play for control of the discussed agenda away from the facts to bring up not the actual involved people and miltary personal and ask them what it is that they are actually doing --- BUT to HIDE like scared chickens behind the "TOP SECRET", thats "CLASSIFIED" which is the NewSpeak way of hiding your agenda publically and this mind control method is one of the oldest and tired methods of subverting the agenda through the chain of command control which must be in place for this type of propaganda control to work. This is then information profiling, and scope and range of discussion management by appealing to the IMORAL and ILLEGAL human mode of misinformation programming through secret agendas. Thank you and have pleasent day.

    • Iran is a hotbed of contention not because of just the oi l profits that could be reaped should they come under military and corporate control of the invading forces and their corporation backers. The age old class warfare trick card is again being played and as always the attacking corporation interests need an "excuse" and a reason that the lower and middle class citizens should "mobilize against the enemy" which in this case has been a "case of Islamist Suicide bombing "Terrorist" extreamist vs. The Boys with the A-Bombs"

      In the current corporate global control agenda for profitable investmest AT almost ANY COST WE have the largest most advanced military powers going up to dissolve the so called terrorist element and the NewSpeak plan as "always" is to "attack the Bad Guy, Batman" with a dwindling middle class economies, massive corporate fraud in many areas, and an unsatiable LUST for ever greater profits and CONTROL. If this was not the case then why is the entire controlling investor corporation constituency of these major well armed nations HEAVILY INVESTED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL MILITARY MIND CONTROL MACHINE of middle and lower class death and debt? Why do they own or manage major media outlets and why are they on the attack in the US and abroad against orginizations and people that simply would like to dialog about other possible ways to socially interact and develop resources than to show up with your military forces and say "your leader is a terrorist- we are here to free YOU WITH OUR GUNS!" Long live Freedom and Democracy - Could you please indicate in the check box "Are you or have you ever been a member of ... this or that???" Yes supporting your government is important especially when they seek to cut education, teachers, child programs, and to leave no child behind, while at the same time asking for lower and middle class men and women of age to join the military, risk their lives, possibly die or become psychologically marginalized, all this in support of leaders that profit from the war, the oil, the propaganda, and do not and will never lift a finger to risk their own or their childrens life for the country they speak to you in supporting with your life in the military corporation establishment control structure.

      How many children of our leaders are actually fighting "risking their massive trust fund" in this war on terror? Not to many. Most are from neighborhoods of color and economic plight which is a "damn good reason son to join the military" and die for our leaders who will profit and their families will live comfortably while those of the middle and lower class will be asked to risk their lives, and for what?

      Yes we live in the Brave New World of 2005 and of Orwellian NewSpeak, which is driven from the seemingly psychopathic agenda that any agenda or social movement that does not follow "my corporation military investor ideals and worship my GOD is "evil" and as their great books of wisdom say it’s OK to KILL YOUR ENEMY if HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD --- is the only way. Or you will be marginalized - --- This is the Borg you will be assimulated... This corporation propaganda will as part of their startegy to "state that oh you", "misunderstood the reasons of the wars" mentality which is a nice word play for control of the discussed agenda away from the facts to bring up not the actual involved people and miltary personal and ask them what it is that they are actually doing --- BUT to HIDE like scared chickens behind the "TOP SECRET", thats "CLASSIFIED" which is the NewSpeak way of hiding your agenda publically and this mind control method is one of the oldest and tired methods of subverting the agenda through the chain of command control which must be in place for this type of propaganda control to work.

      This is then information profiling, and scope and range of discussion management by appealing to the IMORAL and ILLEGAL human mode of misinformation programming through secret agendas. - This message was brought to you by the concerned and the observant. Thank you and have pleasent day. Remember if they won’t discuss your facts or ideas they are spewing Self Serving Propaganda with possible little or no regard for those they will influence by it!

  • Spewing hate? I thought that was a reasonable argument written by a well known publication. I know you want Iran to have nuclear weapons so they can black mail the USA, right? I’m sorry you feel that way.
    Gardis

    • DAMNNNNNN!!!! A right-wing repukican PSYCHIC! Did you get that from the life lines in your hand, or did your tarot cards tell you what to say? Or maybe it was that ouija board that brought you all your political wisdom! It sure as hell wasn’t that nasty little LIBERAL named Jesus Christ, was it!

    • Iran is a hotbed of contention not because of just the oil profits that could be reaped should they come under military and corporate control of the invading forces and their corporation backers. The age old class warfare trick card is again being played and as always the attacking corporation interests need an "excuse" and a reason that the lower and middle class citizens should "mobilize against the enemy" which in this case has been a "case of Islamist Suicide bombing "Terrorist" extreamist vs. The Boys with the A-Bombs"

      In the current corporate global control agenda for profitable investmest AT ANY COST WE have the largest most advanced military powers going up to dissolve the terrorist element and the NewSpeak plan as "always" is to "attack the Bad Guy, Batman" with a dwindling middle class economies, massive corporate fraud in many areas, and an unsatiable LUST for ever greater profits and CONTROL. If this was not the case then why is the entire controlling investor corporation constituency of these major well armed nations HEAVILY INVESTED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL MILITARY MIND CONTROL MACHINE.

      Why do they own or manage major media outlets and why are they on the attack in the US and abroad against orginizations and people that simply would like to dialog about other possible ways to socially interact and develop resources than to show up with your military forces and say "your leader is a terrorist- we are here to free YOU WITH OUR GUNS!" Long live Freedom and Democracy - Could you please indicate in the check box "Are you or have you ever been a member of ... this or that???"

      Yes we live in the Brave New World of 2005 and of Orwellian NewSpeak, which is driven from the psychopathic agenda that any agenda or social movement that does not follow my ideals and worship my GOD is "evil" and as their great books of wisdom say it’s OK to KILL YOUR ENEMY if HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD --- is the only way.

      Or you will be marginalized - --- This is the Borg you will be assimulated... This corporation propaganda will as part of their startegy state that oh you "misunderstood the reasons of the wars" mentality which is a nice word play for control of the discussed agenda away from the facts to bring up not the actual involved people and miltary personal and ask them what it is that they are actually doing —

      – BUT to HIDE like scared chickens behind the "TOP SECRET", thats "CLASSIFIED" which is the NewSpeak way of hiding your agenda publically and this mind control method is one of the oldest and tired methods of subverting the agenda through the chain of command control which must be in place for this type of propaganda control to work. This is then information profiling, and scope and range of discussion management by appealing to the IMORAL and ILLEGAL human mode of misinformation programming through secret agendas. Thank you and have pleasent day.

    • Wow, the words "Gardis" and "reasonable argument" in the same post. I must be dreaming.....
      I don’t want anyone to have nuclear weapons so your attempt to guess my position and then commiserate with it is a bit weird.

  • Iran is a hotbed of contention not because of just the oil profits that could be reaped should they come under military and corporate control of the invading forces and their corporation backers. The age old class warfare trick card is again being played and as always the attacking corporation interests need an "excuse" and a reason that the lower and middle class citizens should "mobilize against the enemy" which in this case has been a "case of Islamist Suicide bombing "Terrorist" extreamist vs. The Boys with the A-Bombs"

    In the current corporate global control agenda for profitable investmest AT ANY COST WE have the largest most advanced military powers going up to dissolve the terrorist element and the NewSpeak plan as "always" is to "attack the Bad Guy, Batman" with a dwindling middle class economies, massive corporate fraud in many areas, and an unsatiable LUST for ever greater profits and CONTROL. If this was not the case then why is the entire controlling investor corporation constituency of these major well armed nations HEAVILY INVESTED INTO THE GEOPOLITICAL MILITARY MIND CONTROL MACHINE. Why do they own or manage major media outlets and why are they on the attack in the US and abroad against orginizations and people that simply would like to dialog about other possible ways to socially interact and develop resources than to show up with your military forces and say "your leader is a terrorist- we are here to free YOU WITH OUR GUNS!" Long live Freedom and Democracy - Could you please indicate in the check box "Are you or have you ever been a member of ... this or that???"

    Yes we live in the Brave New World of 2005 and of Orwellian NewSpeak, which is driven from the psychopathic agenda that any agenda or social movement that does not follow my ideals and worship my GOD is "evil" and as their great books of wisdom say it’s OK to KILL YOUR ENEMY if HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD --- is the only way. Or you will be marginalized - --- This is the Borg you will be assimulated... This corporation propaganda will as part of their startegy state that oh you "misunderstood the reasons of the wars" mentality which is a nice word play for control of the discussed agenda away from the facts to bring up not the actual involved people and miltary personal and ask them what it is that they are actually doing --- BUT to HIDE like scared chickens behind the "TOP SECRET", thats "CLASSIFIED" which is the NewSpeak way of hiding your agenda publically and this mind control method is one of the oldest and tired methods of subverting the agenda through the chain of command control which must be in place for this type of propaganda control to work. This is then information profiling, and scope and range of discussion management by appealing to the IMORAL and ILLEGAL human mode of misinformation programming through secret agendas. - This message was brought to you by the Corporate Newspeak Network for disinformation. Thank you and have pleasent day.

  • A recent visit to Iraq by Iran’s Foreign Minister, Kamal Kharrazi, who met with PM Jaafari, Deputy PM Chalabi and Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, bodes well for future renewed relations between the once mortal enemies. It also puts the United States in a precarious position with respect to any military action against Iran staged from Iraq. Of course, the United States can do pretty much what it damn pleases without regard for the effects such an action would have on hopes of a renewed friendship between Iraq and Iran.

    If the US were bold and arrogant enough to threaten this incipient detente between the two Middle East nations it would only serve to alienate it further from the Muslim world. Giving Israel the green light to attack Iran won’t help matters much either, as it would be quite obvious to the world community of nations that the United States’ attack dog in the region was acting at its behest. The result would be the same and provide further proof that the United States, despite the Bush administration’s claim that it wants to see democracy flourish in Iraq, is really there to realize its own imperialistic self interests and the mini-imperialistic self interests of its client state, Israel.

    • `All of you intelligent people seem to be missing a major point here .
      1. Iran does not blackmail USA or any one with nuclear weapons .
      2. Iran does not have nuclear weapons or at any time have threaten USA even when they been arming like crazy Housein to attack them and have master minded such a genocide in their 8 year war against Iran with their puppet Housein that after wards they set to give them a back door to Middle East. Time for a wake up call boys and girls. You be next
      3. The only nation insane enough to use nuclear weapons and keep looking for an excuse to use them again we all know who they are .
      4. ISRAEL is a nuclear power that has never sign any agreements or any one ever talk of their nuclear weapons and biological arsenal . It makes one wonder .

      And finally to all of you sleeping people out there if you want to say something learn the facts first . Because some not even two hundred year old so called nation with his masters pulling the strings from above has been attacking the world since day one of its existense and all calling it what ? The land of the free and the brave ?
      Free I know it never been . As for brave ? Killing women and children and attacking countries to steal their natural resources as they have done before that in America - Canada - Australia to name some major ones and calling the nation that resist their advance against their freedom terrorist ? Whos the terrorist here ?
      And why all countries beside the agressors must disarm themselfs ? Any one care any more what is right and what is wrong or you all just talking to hear your selfs ?

      HardHawk